Become a Successful Learner - Advice from Professor Tatsuo Yoshikawa
Aug 06, 2024<Interview with Professor Tatsuo Yoshikawa from Keio University>
Arai: Hello. Today I am visiting Keio University, and we would like to share some useful information from Professor Yoshikawa for those of you who are studying foreign languages. Thank you very much for your cooperation.
ๆฐไบ: ใใใซใกใฏใไปๆฅใฏๆ ถๅฟๅคงๅญฆใฎใญใฃใณใในใซใ้ช้ญใใฆใใใพใใฆใๅๅทๅ ็ใใๅคๅฝ่ชใๅญฆใใงใใ็ใใใฎใใใซใๅฝนใซใใคใใใชๆ ๅ ฑใ็บไฟกใใใฆใใใ ใใใใจๆใใพใใใใใใใ้กใใใพใใ
Prof. Yoshikawa: My pleasure. My name is Yoshikawa and I am a professor at Keio University. I specialize in Chinese films and foreign language education.
ๅๅทๅ ็: ใใใใใ้กใใใพใใ ๆ ถๆ็พฉๅกพๅคงๅญฆใฎๅๅทใจ็ณใใพใใๅฐ้ใฏไธญๅฝๆ ็ปใจๅคๅฝ่ชๆ่ฒใใใฃใฆใใใพใใ
Arai: I first met Professor Yoshikawa when I was teaching at the University of London. We are still continuing our relationship. Thank you very much for this opportunity today.
ๆฐไบ: ๅๅทๅ ็ใจใฏใ็งใใญใณใใณๅคงๅญฆใงๆใใฆใใ้ ใซใกใใใฉใไธ่ฉฑใซใชใฃใใจใใใใจใง็ฅใๅใใซใชใใพใใใไปใ้ขไฟใ็ถใใใใฆใใใ ใใฆใพใใใใใใใ้กใใใใใพใใ
Prof. Yoshikawa: It’s my pleasure.
ๅๅทๅ ็: ใใใใใ้กใใใพใใ
Arai: First of all, I would like to ask you about the learning environment. For example, if someone wants to study at a school, what kind of school do you think is best for him or her to choose?
ๆฐไบ: ใพใใฏใงใใญใๅญฆใถ็ฐๅขใซใคใใฆใ่ใใใใใใงใใใใฉใใไพใใฐๅญฆๆ กใงๅญฆใณใใใจใใไบบใฎๅ ดๅใใฉใฎใใใชๅญฆๆ กใ้ธใถใฎใใใใจๆใใพใใใ
Prof. Yoshikawa: Well, of course, a school with excellent facilities is good, but I think it is more important to choose a school that is easy to commute to. I mean it is important to choose a school in terms of being able to continue to study, and of course, including an online school.
ๅๅทๅ ็: ใใใงใใญใ่จญๅใๅ ๅฎใใฆใใใจใใใฏใใกใใใใใจๆใใพใใใฉใ้ใใใใใจใใใๅคงไบใชใใใใชใใ ใชใจๆใใพใใ็ถใใใใใจใใๆๅณใงใฏ้ใใใใใจใใใๅคงไบใ ใจๆใใพใใใใใใใใใใกใใใชใณใฉใคใณใงใงใใใใใชใจใใใๅคงไบใ ใจๆใใพใใ
Arai: It is true that the most important point in language learning is to continue.
ๆฐไบ: ็ขบใใซ็ถใใใใจใ่จ่ชๅญฆ็ฟใงใฏไธ็ชๅคงไบใชใใคใณใใใใใใพใใใญใ
Prof. Yoshikawa: Yes, absolutely.
ๅๅทๅ ็: ใใใงใใญใ
Arai: location, online, and so on. Thank you very much. Then, when choosing a teacher, for example, a tutor, what kind of teacher do you think we should choose?
ๆฐไบ: ๅ ดๆใจใใชใณใฉใคใณใงใใจใใใใใใใใจใงใใญใใใใใจใใใใใพใใใงใฏใๅ ็ใ้ธใถๅ ดๅใไพใใฐใใฅใผใฟใผใจใใงใใญใๅ ็ใ้ธใถๅ ดๅใฏใฉใใชๅ ็ใ้ธใใ ใใใใจๆใใพใใใ
Prof. Yoshikawa: I think it would be better to choose someone who is easy to talk to.
ๅๅทๅ ็: ใใใงใใญใใใฎ่ฉฑใใใใใไบบใ้ธใใ ๆนใใใใใใใชใใใจๆใใใงใใใญใๅฝ็ถใญใ
Arai: Ah, the relationship between teacher and student as people strongly affect effective language learning.
ๆฐไบ: ใใใใใฃใฑใ่จ่ชใๅๅผทใใใฎใงไบบใจไบบใฎ้ขไฟใจใใใใจใงใใญใ
Prof. Yoshikawa: That's right. If the conversation doesn't have a good flow, you cannot practise. I think it would be better to choose someone you feel comfortable talking to.
ๅๅทๅ ็: ใใใงใใญใ่ฉฑใ็ถใใชใใจ็ทด็ฟใซใชใใชใใงใใใใ่ฉฑใใใใใจๆใใๆนใ้ธใใ ๆนใใใใใใใชใใใจใ
Arai: I think so too. There are also some learners who want to study at home outside of lessons, or study by themselves without a school or a teacher. What would you suggest for them?
ๆฐไบ: ใใใงใใญใ ใใจใฏ่ชๅฎ ใงใใฌใในใณไปฅๅคใฎๆ้ใซๅๅผทใใใใจใใๅญฆๆ กใๅ ็ใใใชใใฆใไธไบบใงๅๅผทใใใใจใใๆนใใใใฃใใใใจๆใใใงใใใฉใใใใใๆนใฎๅ ดๅใซใใใใใฎๅๅผทๆณใจใใใใพใใใ
Prof. Yoshikawa: Nowadays, we can get all kinds of information on the Internet, so I think it is important to actually watch movies and animations that interest you, or watch the news if you want to watch the news. One piece of advice from my experience is that it is better to watch materials with subtitles.
ๅๅทๅ ็: ใใใงใใญใไปใคใณใฟใผใใใใงใใใใชๆ ๅ ฑใๆใซๅ ฅใใฎใงใ่ๅณใฎใใๅ็ปใๆ ็ปใจใใขใใกใงใใใใงใใใใใฅใผใน่ฆใใใใ ใฃใใใใฅใผในใ่ฆใใฐใใใจๆใใพใใใฉใใใใใฃใใใฎใๅฎ้ใซ่ฆใฆใฟใใฃใฆใใใฎใฏๅคงไบใ ใจๆใใใงใใไธใคใฏ็ต้จใใใฎใขใใใคในใฏๅญๅนใใใใใฎใ่ฆใๆนใ่ฏใใฆใ่ใๆตใใฎใงใใใใใงใใใฉใๅญๅนใใใใจไฝใ่จใฃใฆใใใใใใใใใใฎใงใ
Arai: Yes.
ๆฐไบ: ใฏใใ
Prof. Yoshikawa: I think it is also important to go out and meet Japanese friends or go out (to access more learning opportunities, Japanese restaurants etc), although there might be some limitations (depending on circumstances).
ๅๅทๅ ็: ใใจใฏใใใใชๆกไปถใใใใจๆใใพใใใฉใๅบใใใฆใใฃใฆ่ชฐใๆฅๆฌไบบใฎใๅ้ใจไผใใจใใๅคใซๅบใฆใใใฃใฆใใใฎใ ๅคงไบใ ใจๆใใใงใใใฉใ
Arai: I see. That is true. In addition, I think that there are many difficulties when studying, and there may be a problem of not being able to continue.
ๆฐไบ: ใฏใใใใใงใใญใใงใๅๅผทใใฆใใใจใใใใๅคงๅคใชใใจใๅคใใฃใใใใฆ็ถใใใใชใใจใใๅ้กใๅบใฆใใใจๆใใใงใใใใใใใๅ ดๅใฎๅฏพ็ญใจใใไฝใใขใใใคในใใฆใใใ ใใพใใใ
Prof. Yoshikawa: Yes, I think so too. Well, I think it is important to take a break. As I said before, going to a Japan-related event or making friends with people outside is a good way to stimulate communication, so I think it helps. It will be very good for Speaking skills.
ๅๅทๅ ็: ใใใงใใญใใพใใไธๅใกใใฃใจไผใใงใฟใใฃใฆใใใฎใฏๅคงไบใ ใจๆใใใงใใใฉใใกใใฃใจไผใใงใฟใฆใใใไธๅๅงใใฆใฟใใจ้ใใใฎใ่ฆใใฆใใใใใใใใใฃใฑๆฐๅ่ปขๆใฃใฆๅคงไบใ ใจๆใใใงใใใฃใ่จใฃใใฟใใใซๆฅๆฌ้ขไฟใฎใคใใณใใซ่กใฃใฆใฟใใจใใใๅ้ใซใชใฃใฆใฟใใจใใๅคใซๅบใใฃใฆใใใฎใฏใใฃใฑใใณใใฅใใฑใผใทใงใณใๅใไธใงๅบๆฟใซใชใใฎใงใจใฆใใใใจๆใใพใใใ
Also, learning a language is not something where you grow as steadily as you think you will. It is important not to worry too much that you are not making much progress. So, even if you think your work is a little stagnant, it is better to continue to work on it and sometimes try something different. When you go out and do something else, you often encounter something new and it may take you up like this.
ใใจใ่ชๅญฆใฎๅญฆ็ฟใฃใฆใๆใฃใใปใฉใใ็ๅฎใซๆ้ทใใใใฎใงใฏใชใใฆใ ใใๆใ็ช็ถใใ่กใใฎใงใใใพใ้ฒๆญฉใใฆใชใใชใฃใฆใใพใๆฉใพใชใใฃใฆใใใฎใฏๅคงไบใใใใใชใใงใใญใ ใใๆ็ช็ถใใใใๅใใฃใใฃใฆใใใใจใใใใใงใใพใใใใฎใกใใฃใจๅๆปใใฆใใใจๆใฃใฆใใใใใ็ถใใฆใใฃใฆใใกใใฃใจๅบๆฟใซใชใใใจใๆใ ใใฃใฆใฟใใใใใจใใใใใใชใใใจๆใใพใใญใไฝใๅคใซๅบใฆ่กใฃใๆใซใ็ช็ถไฝใใซๆฐใฅใใฆใใใใใจไธใใฃใใใใใฎใงใ
In that sense, rather than doing the same thing for a long time and worrying that it won't get better, you should go out and refresh yourself, or stop doing it for a while and try something else. I think those things are rather important. In this way, I think you can keep going much further for a long time.
ใใใใๆๅณใงใฏใใฃใจๅใใใจใใใฃใฆใ่ฏใใชใใชใใชใฃใฆๆฉใใใใฏใไฝใๅคใซๅบใฆ่กใฃใฆใฟใใจใใกใใฃใจใใใฆใชใใไปใฎใใจใไธๅใใฃใฆใฟใใจใใ ใใฎ่พบใๅฒใจ้่ฆใใชใ้ใซ้ทใ็ถใใใใใชใใใชใจใ
Arai: It doesn't go like this, it doesn't go up steadily. So, in order to get over that period, you just need to find a way to keep going.ใ
ๆฐไบ: ใใฎใใใซใใใชใใใงใใญใไธใใฃใฆใใใชใใฎใงใใใใไนใๅใใซใฏใใใ ็ถใใๆนๆณใ่ฆใคใใใ
Prof. Yoshikawa: Yes, that's right.
ๅๅทๅ ็: ใใใงใใญใ
Arai: A change.
ๆฐไบ: ๆฐๅ่ปขๆใ
Prof. Yoshikawa: I think a change to refresh your mind is important.
ๅๅทๅ ็: ๆฐๅ่ปขๆใๅคงไบใ ใจๆใใพใใ
Arai: I really agree with you. Thank you very much. Before we finish, would you give a message for those who are studying Japanese language hard, please?
ๆฐไบ: ใจใใใใจใงใใญใ ใใใใจใใใใใพใใใใๆๅพใซใงใใญใ้ ๅผตใฃใฆๆฅๆฌ่ชใๅๅผทใใฆใใ็ใใใซไฝใๅฟๆดใฎใกใใป ใผใธใใ้กใใใพใใ
Prof. Yoshikawa: Sure. Well, I think there are many things you can enjoy while studying Japanese, so I think it would be best if you enjoy the moment, or rather have fun. I think it would be best if you find something you like and study while enjoying it.
ๅๅทๅ ็: ใใใงใใญใใพใใๆฅๆฌ่ชๅๅผทใใฆใใใใๆฅฝใใใใจใใใใใใใใจๆใใฎใงใ ๆฅฝใใๅๅผทใใฆใใใใใจใใพใๅๅผทใฃใฆใใใๆฅฝใใใใฃใฆใใใใฎใไธ็ชใใชใจๆใใพใใฎใงใใชใใๅฅฝใใชใใฎใ่ฆใคใใฆใใใใใใใชใใๅๅผทใใใจใใใใใใชใใใชใจๆใใพใใ
Arai: Absolutely. The best way is to have fun. If you do that, you will continue automatically.
ๆฐไบ: ใฏใใๆฅฝใใใฎใไธ็ชใงใใญใใใใใใฐ็ถใใพใใใใญใ
Prof. Yoshikawa: Yes, I think so.
ๅๅทๅ ็: ใใใใใ
Arai: Thank you very much for your time today.
ๆฐไบ: ใใใไปๆฅใฏ่ฒด้ใชใๆ้ใใฉใใใใใใจใใใใใพใใใ
Prof. Yoshikawa: Not at all, thank you very much.
ๅๅทๅ ็: ใใใใใใใใใจใใใใใพใใใ
Arai: I wish you the best in keep learning the Japanese language and great luck!
ๆฐไบ: ใฏใใ็ใใใใใฒๆฅๆฌ่ชใฎๅๅผทใใใใใใ็ถใใฆใใฃใฆใใ ใใใ้ ๅผตใฃใฆใใ ใใใ
Prof. Yoshikawa: Good luck!!!
ๅๅทๅ ็: ้ ๅผตใฃใฆใใ ใใใ
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